ROGERS 1 John = | | |-----------|---------|----------|-----------|----------|----------| infant child Nicholas Nicholas infant child Joseph Susanna Joseph bd 9.3. bd 14.3. b 1713 bd 16.5. bpt 7.7. bpt 5.11. bpt 7.7. 1711/12 L 1711/12 L bpt 7.7. 1716 L 1717 L 1719 L 1724 L 1717 L bd 10.3. bd 12.7. bd 25.11. 1722/23 L 1724 L 1722 L ROGERS 2 Nicholas of Upottery bd 23.7.1719 L = | | |---------------------| Nicholas Perriam bd 4.8. bd 20.7. 1713 L 1712 L Francis widow bd 5.4.1719 L Christopher senior bd 2.2.1724/25 L Anne ? bd 4.7.1725 L Elizabeth bd 26.5.1728 L Susanna bd 14.3.1730/31 L John bd 25.6.1732 L Sarah bd 6.7.1756 L Mary bd 6.10.1759 L Mary bd 18.7.1762 L ROGERS FAMILY OF LUPPITT ------------------------------------------- researched by Gerald Rogers of Penzance The first sighting of the Rogers in Luppitt, is that of Edward Rogers who is a juror at the court baron of Edmund Carew at Mohuns Ottery in 1536 (PRO ref .E 179 /...........) The next appearance is of an Edmund Rogers and Christopher Rogers as jurors at the courts barons of Peter Carew also in Mohuns Ottery in 1550 - 1552 (PRO ref.E 179 / .....) Jurors were, in the simplest terms , tenants of the lord of the manor, and the court met , presumably at the 4 feasts of the year, Christmas , Easter, Michaelmas and Lady Day, to conduct the business of the manor. In the most part this might be to record the death of one tenant and the disposal of his holding to his son or sons or by sale to another person, and the payment or handover would be recorded. Fines could also be levied on tenants who had transgressed the manor laws. And appointments made for a term for parish officials, overseer, constable , reeve, etc. The court leets also settled legal issues in the manor and as one tenant and juror died and was succeeded by his sons , it is tempting to assign Edmund and Christopher Rogers as sons of Edward, who may have been dead by 1550. Following in date to the first juror of 1536, and tying in nicely with the second courts in 1550/2 , it is probably not possible to connect this Edmund to one of the same name baptised at Colyton 14 Sept 1539 son of William Rogers, and further to the Edmund Rogers of Otterton , a few miles down the river Otter from Luppitt, who baptised and buried his daughter Margaret in 1561/2.. None the less , the connections with Otterton and Colyton persist in the history of the Rogers of Luppitt. The second juror of 1552, Christopher Rogers, is probably the Christopher who is in the Muster Roll for Luppitt or 1569, the two lay subsidies for 1581 and 1582 and whose will is dated 1587, proved 1588 ( extracted by Murray and Moger whose will index and extracts are in DRO ). He may also be the same as Christopher who married Joane Emes ,at St Mary Arches Exeter in 1564, although his will of 1587 gives Ellen as his wife . In his will he mentions sons Robert and Nicholas , and daughter Alice . The next Rogers , is Robert Rogers, miller, who was probably born circa 1550 , and who may be the son of Christopher above. In 1591 he petitioned Ld Chancellor Christopher Hatton concerning the tithes paid by various older parishioners of Luppitt, and the new rates to be charged by the Rev Walter Knott. In this petition “ Depositions made by witnesses at Honiton on 14th April 1591, namely John Hame of Luppitt , husbandman, aged upward of 80 years ; William Miller of Luppitt, miller, aged 47,; Tenall Forward of Luppitt, husbandman, aged 72 ;Joane Rogers of Otterton, widow of the age of 90 years or thereabouts ; William Shapston of Luppitt, husbandman, aged 78 years or thereabouts ; John Deeme of Luppitt, butcher, aged 65 years or thereabouts ; Thomas Broome of Luppitt, husbandman, aged 80 years or thereabouts ; Elizabeth Forward , aged upward of 70 years ; Richard Holwill of Luppitt , husbandman, aged upward of 60 years ;Andrew Shapton of Luppitt, husbandman, aged 70 years or thereabouts ; Humphrey Lambert of Luppitt, husbandman, aged 80 years or thereabouts .” (DRO 1302A/PB5 ) No conclusion was reached , and more than 100 years later in March and April 1709, an opinion and an addendum to it , was given by Samuel Dodd to the several questions offered him upon the customs of Luppitt relating to the Vicarage tithes. The preamble goes on “And whereas the said Orator ( i.e. Robert Rogers) being seized in his Demeans as of freehold for term of his life by Copy of Court Rolls according to the custom of the said Manor of Luppitt aforesaid of and in one Grist Mill and seven acres of land meadow and pasture to the said Mill belonging, for which he the said Orator and the terretenants thereof by the space of 40 years next before the said Act of Parliament ( i.e. Parliament at Westminster 4th Nov in the 2nd year of the reign of Ed Vl , 1548), did not pay for the tithe of the same Mill and 7 acres of land etc any other tithes than 1s 6d yearly in full recompense and discharge of all tithes due for the same Mill . And whereas also the parishioners of the said parish being terretenants there by the space of 40 years next before the said Act......did not pay any other tithe than is hereafter particularly deduc`d . “ Joane Rogers of Otterton widow , aged 90 or thereabouts , in her witness statement, confirmed that she knew the parties and had known the parish of Luppitt for 52 years and upward. Said she knew there was a custom within the parish for the payment of the tithe of the Mill there, now held by the plaintiff ( Robert Rogers ) and that the tithe payable by the tenants or occupiers was 18d per year only and that she knew this to be true because her first husband, John Miller, about 52 years previously ( c. 1539 ) took the same Mill of Sir George Carew for the term of his life and the life of this deponent who enjoyed the same Mill together by virtue of the said Grant by the space of 20 years, during which time her husband paid to the then vicar , Richard Hicks , 18d yearly for the said Mill , at the Easter feast. After the death of her husband about 30 years previously ( c. 1561 ), she continued to pay the tithe of 18d until she sold her right thereof to Richard Perryon deceased. As the matter was not settled , it is not possible to know if the rebellious tenants went on paying the old rate of tithes, or if the vicar insisted on the new. The next sighting is a marriage of Nicholas Rogers of Membury, to Elizabeth Beayeard at Colyton on 5th May 1584. In the meantime in Otterton, possible descendants of the 90 year old plaintiff Joane Rogers, and her second husband , unnamed, are having children baptised . Between 1564 and 1587, William and Henry Rogers ,have several children , Henry Rogers marrying Jane Pomeroy in Feb 1565/6. From 1586 onward their sons John and Richard Rogers, married in 1580 and 1584 respectively are having children baptised but their descent now continues in Otterton and East Budleigh until the two families meet again in 1728/9.. There is at present no further information on the 16th C Rogers of Luppitt but a mountain of untouched records remain to be searched. So in this century, it may be possible to identify a shaky line of descent from Edward born circa 1510 , maybe dead by 1550, juror in 1536 ; sons Edmund and Christopher , born circa 1530 and living 1550/2 with maybe Edmund moving away from Luppitt, leaving Christopher the sole representative in 1582. Nicholas Rogers of Membury may also have been another son of Edward because the Christian names Christopher and Nicholas follow the Luppitt line down to the early 18th C. Christopher marries Joane and has Robert the petitioner, Nicholas perhaps of Membury and Alice. The 17th C begins with Robert the miller and petitioner who is paying Luppitt rates in 1606 and paying subsidy in 1624 for his grist mill and 7 acres. At the same time Nicholas is warden for his tenement at Sharcombe in 1622 and like his brother paying subsidy in 1624. Most remarkably he is the father of Robert Rogers, BA 1626 aged 20, MA 1628 from New Inn Hall, Oxford. There is no clear sign of him in Luppitt from this date, but there is a Robert baptising three children in Honiton , Sylas, Ellyzabeth, and Tabitha in 1627, 1629 and 1631 respectively. There is also the will of a Robert Rogers of Honiton dated 1631 , and a further unknown Rogers of Honiton whose will was dated 1637 . Tabitha Rogers married John Loder of Honiton in 1654. And a John Rogers of Honiton will was proved 1666. An Oxford MA usually meant that the graduate would become a vicar or maybe a lawyer, perhaps this Robert found work in Honiton, and could have been a teacher . The first events at Membury start around the 1620s with the will of John Rogers of Membury, maybe brother or father to the Nicholas who married Elizabeth Beayeard in 1584 at Colyton . In the period just before the start of the Civil War, William Rogers baptised two sons Richard in 1637 and William in 1640. William Rogers (parish) clerk of Membury was buried in November 1644, and widow Jone Rogers was buried the following January. The gap now covers the remainder of the Civil War and the next entry is for 1660 with the baptism of William son of Nicholas and Jane Rogers. Perhaps this Nicholas is an older son of William the parish clerk. Nicholas followed his father as parish clerk and was involved in Membury`s non-payment of tithes in 1689 . His wife Jane is buried in 1691. Richard Rogers and Dorothy, baptised William in 1669, Joan 1672, John 1676 and Nicholas in 1681 Richard was buried in 1692 His brother William and Mary, baptised Mary in 1673, and although there is no record of Mary dying, William and Susanna baptised William in 1681 , Elizabeth 1684 and Susanna in 1688 whose burial is recorded in 1692, and Nathaniel in 1690 Nathaniel Rogers of Luppitt left a will in 1721. Abraham son of William and Elizabeth baptised in 1693 may be the original William`s last child by a third wife .....or maybe not. Meanwhile in Luppitt, Joseph Rogers left a will in 1670 and John Rogers left a will in 1684. The Bishops Transcripts for Luppitt are very patchy and some 15 pages cover the whole of the 17th C. The gap is impossible to bridge. The last we know of the Rogers is Nicholas paying subsidy tax in 1624,. the Samuel son of Nicholas baptised in 1685 , may well be his grandson or even greatgrandson. Christopher Rogers of Luppitt, baptised Mary in 1685, Anne in 1689, and Martha in 1691. This was almost certainly the Christopher Rogers who was “ at large “ during the sweep for other Monmouth Rebels, and thus escaped Judge Jeffries attention. He may also be the father of Christopher baptised in 1696, and Sarah in 1699. At the same time in Luppitt, Thomas, Nicholas and William have children baptised, in the period 1689 - 1700. But again it is not possible to say they were all brothers, they may have been cousins, and they may have been the grandsons or great grandsons of Christopher whose will was dated 1587, and who left sons Robert the petitioner and Nicholas the father of Robert the Oxford graduate. Other records such as the Protestation returns of 1641 and the Hearth Tax of Lady Day 1664 and 1674 are unsurprisingly missing for Luppitt and other nearby parishes. The wills are long gone, and the original parish registers which by law existed in Luppitt from 1539 or thereabouts are also long gone. The fragments that survive include the baptisms of Jane and Elizabeth daughters of Thomas Rogers, in 1689 and 1695 . Nicholas who may be the same as Nicholas of Upottery baptised Christopher in 1696, John 1699/00, moved to Upottery, but continued to use his native parish to bury Sarah in 1704, Nicholas in 1713 . Nicholas himself died in 1719 and his will is of the same date. Who was Perriam Rogers of Luppitt who left a will in 1692 and whose name is carried on by Nicholas Rogers of Upottery, who buried his son Perriam , in Luppitt in 1712. The Perriams are mostly found in East Budleigh and that in 1695/6 is where Arabella Sweetland was baptised who married Joseph Rogers of Upottery , mariner, in Honiton, in 1728/9. And although we have never found Joseph`s baptism we can be sure that he was born circa 1705 , and his parents were Nicholas and Anne, originally of Luppitt and then of Upottery. The first quarter of the 18th C shows the Rogers down to one family, John Rogers married Mary Byrd in 1703, and had John, Nicholas, Joseph and Susanna baptised and buried in Luppitt between 1704 and 1724. Our Joseph and Arabella Rogers moved to East Budleigh , and perhaps because of her late marriage, at 33 Arabella had Joseph who was baptised and buried 1732/3 and Nicholas 1736 -39, and Joseph baptised in 1734, who lived to be 84 and left the Rogers descendants in Budleigh Salterton today. Post scriptum ; one tantalising problem remains unsolved. In the 1623 Visitations of Somerset, the Rogers of Cannington , show a George Rogers “ of Lopit, com Devon “. He was the son of Thomas Rogers serjeant at law of Bradford on Avon, who married as his second wife, and for her a second husband , Catherine Courtenay, daughter of Sir Philip Courtenay. They had George Rogers, of Luppitt or Lopit. He married Elizabeth ??????? There are no dates but it can be guessed that if Thomas Rogers was admitted to Lincolns Inn in 1454 “ of Bristowe “, he may have been about 16 years old. He was appointed serjeant at law in 1478 and his date of death varies from 1478 - 1489. Catherine Courtenay,died in 1511, by which time her son George Rogers, was married and had a son Edward Rogers. This Edward was born in 1498 and died in 1567. Therefore we might guess that George was born around 1470, and he died in Langport in Somerset in 1524. So how did George Rogers come to be called “ of Lopit “ and is he any relation to Edward Rogers the juror of Luppitt in 1536. After Thomas Rogers death, Catherine Courtenay married for the third time, Sir William Huddesfield, Attorney General to Edward lV, whose grandfather also William Huddesfield, had been of Honiton. Catherine and William had a daughter Elizabeth who married Anthony Poyntz of Iron Acton , Gloucs. Sir William had a daughter Catherine , by his first marriage to Elizabeth Bossom, and this daughter Catherine married Edmund Carew of Mohuns Ottery in the parish of Luppitt. So was George living in Luppitt with his step sister Catherine Carew, and if so did he marry and have a son or sons from whom come the Rogers of Luppitt ?